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Make a real difference here - Act against the BNP effectively [Jun. 15th, 2009|02:31 pm]
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I am compiling a list of people within the United Kingdom who would for one reason or another fall foul of the BNP were they in power.  My personal opinion is that this will not happen, as they are thankfully far outnumbered by those of us with sense.  Still, I do not feel relaxed about them at all as they are there, they do have a following, and people are discouraged and not voting.  I do not believe in complacency when it comes to basic human rights. 

The point I am trying to make is that one person is capable of reaching out to a huge number of other people and contacting them in some way. One person is capable of bringing countless examples of people who would be unwelcome in a BNP controlled country, some of these not at first obvious to the naked eye. 

We all know that the BNP doesn’t want a country full of immigrants and non-whites, but what about all of the other people their ideas can be applied to? Feminists? Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals? Caucasian Immigrants? Disabled and elderly? Second and third generation immigrants? People of the “wrong” religion? And of course, family members; you may be very “English” by the BNP’s standards (by the way, what exactly are the standards? What exactly makes you British?), but would you stand by and watch your gay brother or son injured or sent away? Remember that although on the face of it, their policies apply to non-Caucasians and immigrants, in reality if their way was put into practise it would cascade down into anyone who did not uphold their same belief system. That is the way these people operate. And where will they draw the line? I am sure if a white American born/British citizen were causing them a great deal of hassle by speaking out, the immigration law would quickly be turned on them as well. The point is, that as well as being bigots, they are irrational. Thankfully thousands of people are working to expose them to as wide an audience as possible so that they do not get support from people who may be ill informed, or simply go along with the flow of those around them. One person can still do great harm by casting a vote and spreading propaganda.

I am joining this effort to ensure that anyone who stumbles upon my words will have more information than they had before. While I trust this country to not go in the BNP’s direction it is by no means done and dusted and will not be in ours, or our children’s lifetime, if ever. Less than one hundred years ago millions died because of a government-sanctioned group of fascists, and millions more in fighting them out of power. The fascist legacy lives on today in the people who deny the Holocaust, and who continue to propagate hate. I do not believe we are immune to these atrocities, and indeed, many people in other parts of the world are still suffering under regimes such as these. We owe it to every parent, child, friend, and soldier who has suffered under hands of bigotry and cruelty to contribute what we are capable of in the fight to keep the world safe for everyone.

Please post here every example you can think of, either yourself or your close friends & family members, who would be harmed or excluded in a country run exclusively by the BNP. You do not have to put actual names, of course, but please give us an idea of who you are referring to such as gender, age, race etc, whatever may be relevant.  Add your entry in the comments page under this blog and show the world exactly who the BNP are against.  What we need to recognise is that a list of names so long it makes your eyes hurt is far more effective than one sentence saying '2/3 of the population'.  Each person should speak for their own unit of loved ones.  I want to provide an alternative to the grim lists of casualties from the Nazi regime and others like it – an antithesis to the list of dead.  We all know there are monuments with nothing but names of the dead engraved upon them.  Turn that on its head and be proactive.  Make a new type of list - a list of people who will stop it here before it starts.  If someone who is on the verge of voting BNP sees this list it may make them understand the gaping hole left in a country of the BNP's choosing. 

I will begin:


Erin Norman, 30 year old woman American/British citizen, have been here 8 years married to English husband (NHS worker), have one son with dual citizenship. Myself, my husband, and son would all be in danger. 

My English father in law is married to a Thai lady – they live in Thailand by choice but are still British citizens. 

My husband’s best friend is Rhodesian by birth but adopted by an English couple thirty odd years ago. His wife (English) and their unborn child would of course also be affected. 






[User Picture]From: snippetygiblets
2009-06-15 02:28 pm (UTC)
I am very concerned that some BNP members pass their sick ideas off as Pagan or "Odinist". This absolutely disgusts and infuriates me. I am a Norse Tradition Pagan and my husband is a Pagan occultist. We are raising our son with Pagan values, none of which remotely approach those of the BNP. I have no doubt we, along with any other "alternative" religion would be stamped upon if the BNP came to power.

I have two very good friends who choose an itinerant lifestyle making their living as artists. I should imagine they would be a target for persecution as would many following the Romany tradition.

Finally I have had too many good friendships with gay people to list individuals. One of my best ever friendships was with a transgendered person (sadly I have now lost touch with her). You need only watch from afar the ridiculous furore going on over gay marriages in the US to realise how quickly the clock can be turned back, and gay, lesbian, bi and transgendered people denied their rights.
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From: westlag
2009-06-15 04:51 pm (UTC)

Pagans and Odinist

Where on earth did that one come from - I have never heard or read anything like this in the BNP material nor is there any intended persecution of any religion but there would be a promotion of Christianity.
Again, where is there talk of persecuting people following a romany way of life.
As for the gay way of life the BNP have no objection to what people do behind closed doors but the BNP will not actively encourage nor support the promotion of Gay lifestyles.
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From: colin_brown
2009-06-16 03:49 pm (UTC)

Liberals are united in hate. FACT!!

The BNP are not the problem - and you liberal nuts know it.

The progressive left, (liberal mindset) those who denounce the BNP are the worlds biggest threat.

Part 1). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO7IVl4-JFw

Part 2). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MO_e4y99js

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From: septimusgrunge
2009-06-15 04:32 pm (UTC)

Act against the BNP effectively

Have you thought about interviewing any of the thousands that voted for this party.
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From: westlag
2009-06-15 04:53 pm (UTC)

Re: Act against the BNP effectively

Obviously not even though almost one million people ignored the media and voted for them - shows how seriously the press are taken. I would just like to see one newspaper have the courage to standup and produce a balanced article without bias and let the electorate judge for themselves.
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[User Picture]From: erinnorman
2009-06-15 07:06 pm (UTC)

Re: Act against the BNP effectively

Yes I have thought of it.
And I would do it too.
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From: scousekraut
2009-06-15 07:02 pm (UTC)


If this is your idea of effective action you are wasting your time. Your article is full of exaggeration and half truths.

The BNP is not the real enemy of the people nor is it the answer to all our problems but like the UKIP is attracting support from people fed up being led into an EU Superstate, and seemingly unlimited immigration into an already overcrowded island.

The real enemy is the Rothschild Syndicate that rules the London Money Power that in turn through many tentacles is behind this push to centralisation of power and de-nationalisation. The three main parties are all led by people leading us down this road. Lord Mandelson is their current number ONE fixer in the government.

Sadly it is the nationalist parties that offer the only serious opposition to more and more centralisation (communism)and so those who oppose this have nowhere else to go except possibly the UK Green Party. Their polices however, are a mixture of very good (Monetary Policy) and the really awful (sustainable development, global warming).
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[User Picture]From: erinnorman
2009-06-15 07:05 pm (UTC)

Re: Effective

Thank you for your contribution.
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From: beardbrain
2009-06-15 09:17 pm (UTC)

Re: Effective

The same old rubbish. The Jews are to blame. Get a serious enemy - I could understand if you were Palestinian. This rabble can spout their 'we are reasonable people' nonsense but underneath they are vile, hate-filled morons who represent a tiny minority of ill-informed Hitler-worshipers. Thankfully Griffin and Brons will only get one chance -due to the greed and venality of MPs- that they will blow in anonymity amidst the bands of cranks in the Euro Parliament. Personally I am part Irish, part Russian, part Scottish but have lived all of my life in England. Where do I go? Nowhere because I'm British - like Ashley Cole, like Sajid Mahmood or Ravi Bopara etc. We live in a multi-cultural society because the world has changed. If you kicked all of the Asians, Blacks, gays, Christians, Socialists, Gypsies and the rest out. What then when things go wrong and people complain? You round them up in concentration camps too? The liberal media likes to wring its hands every so often about the far-right but this band of merry men is forever destined to stay on the fringes, thankfully. Like germs in a toilet bowl they will never go away entirely because it appeals to disenfranchised, bullied-at-school daydreamers who are turned on by leather boots and uniforms but we must retain an element of pity at such lives wasted in ignorance. I suggest you survey individual beliefs amongst party members. Now that would be revealing. Of course you have more chance of going on a world cruise with the Flat Earth Society.
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[User Picture]From: erinnorman
2009-06-16 07:57 pm (UTC)

Submitted to me via email and forum

My friend has been in England for about 8 years, originally coming from Romania, although he is legitimately a British citizen. My aunt is an American/British citizen and has been in England 8 years married to English uncle.
I would be out as would my two sons, my mother.
My bosses, who are Indian but now British Citizens. They have been here 25 years, are both doctors and have made an enormous difference in the way healthcare is in this country.
My DH and DD would be out. I would be by proxy. DSS would be out, as would MIL, step FIL, 3 x SILs, 1 BIL, 4 niece/nephew in laws. That's just for starters.

Actually, probably 60-70% of people I know would be out one way or another. That's what makes the BNP 'policies' so pathetic. I would love the BBC to do the 'Who Do You Think You Are' programme on Nick Griffin or any of his cronies & see what they turn up.
Me for being a race traitor
My 3 boys
My 6 sil
My 4 bil
My 30 neices and nephews

I could go on but thats enough to be getting on with. I also have lots of friends, colleagues and neighbours but I am not sure I could add them all up.
My adoptive mother is an Irish immigrant if that counts.

I was a divorced single-parent on benefits at one point too, as is my sister.

Also have a DS and DH and I would do everything in our power not to have him do National Service for the feckers. Christ knows what that would entail!

DD suffers from an inherited blood-clotting disorder.

They wouldn't like us much.
I'm out (American/British citizen)

ExH and his sister are out (Black British)

ExPILs out (Jamaican immigrants)

American friend out (also British citizen)

German friend out

Israeli friend out (despite renouncing her citizenship and becoming a British citizen)

2 Children of the German/Israeli couple out
That's 10 from me, and can think of loads more past and present co-workers in the NHS.
hmm...firstly I am german...and whilst I know the bnp affiliates themselves with Nazi Germany and their ideas [boak]...I suppose I am still not brittish...

I also have a cleft lip and palate, and that might not be welcome...but am not really aware of the stance that bnp takes on this...

watched an interesting programme this morning, and had to remind myself that those bnp guys are accomplished speakers, just like Hitler....which is dangerous....as you find yourself nodding alng and than thinking, feck...what...no that was not what I thought that was about....
Hmm my whole family about half the parents and teachers at my DS's school, most of the doctors and many of the nurses at the hospital I work at (and in fact at any hospital I have ever worked at). So running into hundreds.
Me for being a race traitor

DH would definitely be out, as would I guess my DS's (half Zimbabwean, half English)
Another race traitor here! Plus my DH - half English half Kiwi, but the Kiwi is Maori, so NOT acceptable to the BNP. And I suppose our two darling DSs, by default. Also my DH's Aunt is Kenyan, and therefore his 3 amazingly bright and talented cousins are out. And my best friend's dad is Jewish, so that's both of them out. A count of 10 without even trying.
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From: gw1000
2009-06-16 10:20 pm (UTC)

Re: Submitted to me via email and forum

Calm down, then read the British National Party's policy. The only people they want to deport are illegal immigrants, and those of the legal immigrants who commit serious crimes. Nobody else.
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From: sariirving
2009-06-16 08:21 pm (UTC)

Add me to the list of BNP-haters and hated-by-the-BNP

The BNP would happily be rid of my family. I am an immigrant similar to you hereidrawtheline. I am American, 45, and, although atheist, of Jewish descent and heritage. My husband, also 45, is British and has two mixed race (White/Black Carribean) sons from a previous relationship, 13 and 12, who we are raising and we also have two daughters, 10 and 7, who are dual nationals. My brother-in-law is engaged to non-British immigrant, and son's brothers and sisters on their birth mother's side, whom we consider close family, are all black as well as one brother being gay.
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From: b0bbin
2009-06-17 12:07 am (UTC)

Surely some mistake - i can't believe that many people actually agree with the BNP

I can only assume that the majority of people who voted BNP did it as a warning to the main parties, or were oblivious of the hate-filled views of the BNP.

I had a look on the net for BNP policies and speeches and i am astounded at all the violent, racist, sexist, homophobic dross they believe in.

If they ever had any serious power, anyone who believes in equality of opportunity for ALL HUMANS would be at risk. It is still my hope that the majority of the population would never let this happen, but we do have to remember the quote (disputedly) by Edmund Burke; "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing".

I commend Erin for doing 'something', and urge everyone with a brain and some empathy and compassion to USE YOUR VOTE in every election to make sure the unthinkable never happens.
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[User Picture]From: erinnorman
2009-06-17 10:42 am (UTC)

Submitted to me via email and forum

Myself - 43, German immigrant to Britain, been here for 16 yrs, not confident that would count for anything under the BNP. Also I know I carry a genetic problem which may need to be "exterminated".

DS1,2 and 3 all of which hold dual citizenship.
Ok here is my list so far;

Me race traitor
DP zimbabwean
3x DC's -- mixed race
ExDH Ghanaian and his immediate family (totaling approx 15 adults and 6 children)
5x brothers (1 who is gay)
2x sister
3x sil
2x bil (1 is german/spanish)
4x nephews
2x neice
2x Grandparents (4ppl o/a)
DP's Mum Zimbabwean

I honestly don't have the time to list everyone who isn't immediate family. If I did it would more than treble my list so far. Especially as DP has mnay other relatives here, and one of my Uncles is also a race traitor with 3 children.

I can't even begin to mention everyone we all work with and friends in similar situations. The list would again treble I'm sure!

The town I live in would become a ghost town.
So I make my immediate list 53, with the possibility, if I had the time of turning out a list of around 500+ people easily!

Sorry I lost track of your running total.
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From: kevinwell
2009-06-21 06:46 am (UTC)

Re: Submitted to me via email and forum

A 'Dolly Mixture' of humanity for sure, by the sound of it.
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From: paulbirkin
2009-06-18 06:59 pm (UTC)

Democracy under the BNP?

My main concern is for the death of democracy under BNP rule. They pledge to reinstate National Service and if you don't join the armed forces then you won't have the right to vote. Even if you do your National Service working as a civilian the right to vote will still not be afforded you. How is that democracy? It's in their 2005 Election Manifesto.
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[User Picture]From: erinnorman
2009-06-18 07:21 pm (UTC)

Re: Democracy under the BNP?

Firstly your reply brought to my husband's attention how many times the BNP have slightly changed the wording of their manifestos. They arent exactly the most forthcoming and honest of groups as a whole.

Secondly, the problem (well one of the problems) with the BNP is their total lack of inclusion. They want to run a country filled with people who think like them and obey them. That will absolutely never happen unless they commit great acts of violence. Any real contender for government would be able to govern the whole country and not just their mates.
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From: old_whitey
2009-06-19 03:40 pm (UTC)

BNP the greatest

Don't forget the British had to leave India and many other places when their time was up.
They stoically folded their tents and went away.
Many had deep roots in the sub-continent. Far more than a lot of present days immigrants to Britain whose connections are tenuous to say the least.
So it can be done ...
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[User Picture]From: erinnorman
2009-06-19 04:32 pm (UTC)

Re: BNP the greatest

I'm not sure I follow your argument.

Britain ruled India as a government - India was a conquered land. The East India Company exploited India and the British government took over total control. It is not remotely the same thing as immigrantation. You are confusing immigration with invasion.

And I am not sure stoic is the best word to use for everything that went on in India.
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From: kevinwell
2009-06-19 09:31 pm (UTC)


What an abysmal article. I would have thought that now the EU election is over, all this anti British National Party propoganda would be at an end until the next election, of whatever kind, was imminent.
The BNP must be the only political party in existence where everyone else seems to have their own seperate ideas of what their policies are.
This article is typical of the stereotypical paranoia that the BNP's opponents churn out at every opportunity, most of which appears to be based on other political parties from bygone era's. The BNP made a strong showing at the recent EU election, but are still a long way off from power.
The real threat comes from various elements in the Labour and Conservative parties and the EU commissioners, to say nothing of leftist paranoia.
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[User Picture]From: erinnorman
2009-06-19 09:51 pm (UTC)

Re: Abysmal

I appreciate what you are saying but I am not paranoid. There is a lot of very strong evidence that the BNP are not inclusive or forward thinking whatsoever and indeed their participation with various forms of violence and bigotry is repugnant to me.

I am not writing this because of a looming election. I am writing it because I want people to understand that a country ruled by a political party who bases their policies on race, religion, exclusion and xenophobia will damn our country.

Another commentator has said that progressives are the cause of society's ills. I dispute that. Being progressive and forward thinking does not mean you get rid of all of the wonderful long standing traditions, or that you race towards an insane or unknown outcome. It means you continually try to improve your world. Thank god for progressive thinking it is what got us out of the dark ages and average lifetimes of 30 years.

I also disagree that being against the BNP makes you "leftist" or "liberal". I dont care one bit about fitting in to anyone's standards or ticking any boxes. I make each opinion and decision as much as possible based on my own reason. And having a hatred for racism and bigotry does not necessarily a liberal make.

Perhaps the BNP are widely misunderstood because its leaders have so often slightly changed their stance. How can you take a party seriously or have faith in their integrity when there is proof that Mr. Erikson said himself he was "deliberately provocative" to "stimulate debate" when it was proven that he was the man behind the infamous "rape/handbag theft" comparison in the Sir John Bull blog. And then when confronted with proof of his authorship he says "It's typical of the media to distort what the BNP say."

Are we then in a position where a BNP leader or member can say any number of violent, reprehensible statements, and then have the convenient get out clause that the poor BNP are so misunderstood? Or perhaps people do not give them the benefit of the doubt because they are so often found deep in these pits of lies and hatred.

At any rate thank you for your contribution.
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From: rabone1
2009-06-20 08:17 am (UTC)

Re: Abysmal

I would like you to read the attached link


The last paragraph say

"I would like to see a Muslim Socialist organisation, so that British Muslims who support the ideals and aims of the Labour party will be able to meet as Muslims to discuss political ideas and feed their conclusions along with those of other organisations into Labour party policy making," he said this week.

If the BNP say or do this they are called racist and not inclusive - Any comment?

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From: kevinwell
2009-06-21 02:15 pm (UTC)

Yes, Let's

Erin, Go Home?

All things considered this must be the most ridiculous article I can ever recall reading in an online newspaper, particularly in view of that, for better or worse, the British National Party received some 6.3% of the vote in the recent EU election. This I would imagine is their most successful nationwide election result to date.
Congratulations, British National Party.
However, no party gets anywhere near winning any election on 6.3% of the vote and the prospect of the BNP or indeed any of the other 'minor' parties like UK Independence Party
( congratulations, once again ) Respect or the Green Party, making any gains whatsoever, under the first-past-the-post Westminster parliament system, is extremely unlikely to put it mildly.
Therefore, one can only assume that this piece is, in fact, fundamentally based on either neurosis or paranoia or something similar. In view of that I am not aware of any BNP policy, that advocates the removal of American's from the UK, I can only assume that either the author is some type of ethnic minority herself or her husband is.
Yet, even in the event of anyone coming to power, who was intent on revoking anyone's citizenship, then her option, unlike some others, would be fairly straightforward.
Go home, taking hubby and junior too. No Problem.
However, I wonder, is there an award for the most ludicrous article in journalism?
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[User Picture]From: iamhanuman
2009-06-21 09:28 pm (UTC)

Re: Yes, Let's

I reckon if you really put all your effort in, Kevin, you could do it - you could win that award.
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From: tobyandtoby
2009-09-25 12:08 am (UTC)
A tad dramatic,
But for the record neither the mixed-race mother of my son or the son would exist based upon their policy.
As I understand it, they now say that non-white Britons would be allowed to "stay".

The bigger picture is not the policies they have, but why people vote for them. (I doubt more than 10% would ever vote for them, and that's now, not in 50 years.)

Labour used to be the choice of the TWO parties we have in our democracy for us working class, now they are right-wing as well, giving no choice at all. I guess most who voted for the BNP are not racist but bewildered by the fact they now have nobody in Parliament to represent them, and under the first-past-the-post system never will again.

Kids at school, if left alone by the PC brigade will grow up liking or disliking other nippers based on personality not skin colour, constantly telling nippers they are different does no good to anyone; just let them all grow up together!

As to who the BNP would define as a "Briton", other than being from the human race group of 'Eur-Asian' (Note the irony they face on this)I assume that they would have to be descended from either Scandinavia, Germany or France as that is where the predominant white gene pool origates from in England.

The Oxford Illustrated history of Britain estimates that the last real English people vanished during the Roman era, so the Celtic nations of Cornwall, Scotland and Wales have the oldest genealogy of the Island. Ah, the irony!

If we talk of the roots of English as a language, then the primary root is from the modern nations of Denmark and Holland with other bits from Latin, Scandinavian, German and French.

However the BNP try to portray "An English person" the simple fact is, England is a mixture of other racial groups speaking a language cobbled together from other ones.

On the Labour/Tory ban on membership of the BNP for holders of certain jobs and their refusal to debate with them: this is the most dumb thing all politicians can do as it prevents fighting fire with fire- and is exactly how the Nazi's rose to power in Germany in the first place during the Weimar Republic.

Whilst history will not repeat itself in the UK, it shows how little politicians learn from history and how they are now a seperate class to us mere mortals simply by arrogance and stupidity alone.

Just my opinion of course,

Toby :)
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